It wasn’t until this conversation with Charles that I found out he was behind the wave sculpture which stood for many years in Wakefield station – that was always a favourite of mine. Over the years Charles has produced a wide range of quite major public art commissions around the country. Although I knew he lived in Leeds, I had never had the chance to meet him. Part of the reason for that is that for the last couple of decades much of his working life has been in Preston teaching Public Art and co-running In Certain Places, a research project and commissioning body which has had a major influence on the city.
Charles also tells me about his time in the Leeds art scene during the eighties and early nineties much of which I was surprised to know very little about, such as the Leeds Art Space Society and Breadline Gallery. We also talk model railways, ‘the shooting of the budgerigars’, H Block, subverting the National Grid, making work on instinct, and sitting on council meetings being part of his work as an artist.